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Geoffrey Gevalt's avatar

wow. you cover a lot of ground here.

A couple of reactions that are on the top of my mind.

I started my novel late in life -- my third life, actually. I thought of a lot of those things you have listed to help me along as I started my novel, but I decided to reach out to five people whose writing and candor I respected. They weren't friends, exactly, but we certainly knew each other and three lived in other states. I was actually stunned the all said yes and most read multiple revisions, three read them all. On each revision, I also added someone who knew nothing about the book. All had a deep interest in writing and reading. Their critiques were fantastically helpful. They did not pull punches. On either end of the spectrum.

My favorite reaction relates to one of the comments you got hear regarding depth of characters. This woman lives in a double-wide in Colorado and runs her own house-cleaning business and is an amazing raw writer. (I met her in the weekly online writers group I started and ran for four years.) After the second draft she wrote, "Gevalt. You are still writing like a fucking journalist, you know, outside looking in. Get inside them for fuck's sake." Exact quote.

Another is an art therapist from Michigan who got her doctorate in working with people with damaged brains. Two of my characters have damaged brains. After the first full draft she called me up on the phone and mocked being pissed off at me saying, in so many words, that I'd gotten the two characters spot on -- medically speaking -- and how did I do that on a wing and a prayer when she is still paying off her loans for four years of learning all about that. Having that kind of resource (unexpected, again, she was in my writing group and I did not know her background) was key in helping me shape and fix those characters.

So for me that was enough. I didn't have to go to classes or programs or retreats even though I wanted to and thought it would be a good idea. It wasn't necessary. I had a very diverse, very particular audience who also were willing to devote an incredible amount of time and energy to my project.

It is a community process. Despite what everyone says. Just find yourself some diverse acquaintances who might be willing to help you out.

peace,

gg

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Renee Fountain's avatar

Noor, either you're going to learn a lot or you're going to overwhelm yourself -- speaking as one self-overwhelmer to another...

It sounds like you're on the right track regarding adding the depth of character. Not knowing what the scene is, maybe having them reflect on what's happening or reveal some internal conflict about it.

In regard to the scene you keep re-writing -- does my article on writing strong scenes help? Are you asking yourself what the main point of the scene is? What the character wants and what will happen if they don't get it? Would using other sensory details beyond sight help?

Perhaps you can go back to another book that has the depth of character like you're trying to add and see how they did it will help.

That's great you're going to be doing the San Fran WDW - I like Chuck. I'll be an attending agent at a few WDW this year both in person and on line. Just not San Fran... that would've been fun :)

I know this isn't easy, but I know you can do it.

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